- Initial Experience
- Articleship Scheme
- Is CA cheap? The Stipend
- Dummy Articleship
- Control Mechanism
- Notes for serious aspirants
- 1. The big four…
- 2. Other bigger Indian firms…
- 3. Why is that the information on these so limited…
- 4. Is big beautiful…
- 5. Stipend
- 6. The process of inducting articles…
- 7. Articleship, hard work and time…
- 8. The best place…
- 9. Does one get stuck…
- 10. Articleship Under Whom ?
- 11. Industrial Training
- 12. Articleship Abroad
- 13. CA: One Course but Many Differentials
The Chartered Accountancy Course is a very demanding and interesting course. Not only that the course content is tough, it even requires three years of rigorous training under practicing Chartered Accountant to gain practical experience in the various fields relating to accountancy. This can be in the areas of accountancy, statutory audit, internal audit, tax audit, taxation, management consultancy etc. One can also in the third year do industrial training in some organisation under a CA working in that organisation.
Initial Experience
I had cleared the first group of inter, and after the exams for the second group, I started to search for articleship. And here the most interesting part of my sojourn to the world of articleship began. I went to meet a CA whom I had known for some time. When I mentioned that I wanted to know about where I should do articleship, I was confronted with the question – “Tell me you want to do articlesihp or what?” The question was really very confounding and quite strange. I had asked where I should do articleship, and I was asked back “you want to do articleship or what?”. I said, “yes I want to do articleship thats why I have come to you for guidance”. So that well intentioned CA again quizzically asked – “So, you mean to say, you want to work?”. I wouldn’t go into detail of that conversation, but suffice it to say, that for getting a proper firm to do articleship, I visited handful of firms and spoke to CAs from young ones to elderly ones, and in most of the places, I was asked, “Are you sure you want to do articleship?”.
Coming from a non-CA backgroud, that question was a bit difficult to understand in the beginning, but gradually as I explored the exotic world of CAs, the things became clearer and clearer. So, without going into details, I would rather put the things in some perspective.
Articleship Scheme
The CA course requires that the CA student work as an Articled Clerk under a practicing CA, or if s/he is already working in some CA firm for over a year, then s/he can enrol as an Audit Clerk, and the duration in this case is four years. Needless to say, no one enrols as an Audit Clerk, and everyone goes for Articleship. In one of newspaper article I recently read, as it said, – the Audit Clerk was obsolete. So, needless to say, those who clear the inter/ pe2, and want to pursue the CA course to the full, enrol for articleship.
Is CA cheap? The Stipend
For articleship, the institute prescribes a certain amount as stipend for the first, second and third year of articleship. Though it never says that such stipend is fixed or it is a minimum base, most of the CAs would prefer to hire the articles at the stipend stipulated by the institute. One can see it in many ways.
The CAs would prefer to see it as a cheap source of semi-trained manpower. The institute perhaps sees it as an opportunity that is being given to the student to gain practical training and also get some pocket money. From the students point of view, it is nothing less than cheap labour, as one is doing all the things and getting notional payback. Another way to look at it is that the CA course is quite cheap compared to other courses like MBA. However when one becomes CA, the payback becomes quite good. So in some way the money / labour that one expends that in a way subsidize the firms, despite of the notional stipend, goes to add to the cost of CA course. That way it makes the CA course equally expensive as the other professional courses.
Only a handful of audit firms pay proper stipend, that may range from Rs. five thousand to over ten thousand, depending on ones location and the firm. If one is doing articleship in one of the audit firms linked to the big four consultancies, then one can hope to get good stipend. Some bigger audit firms not having links to the big four also pay good stipend. During industrial training, if one gets into some big company then one can get a good stipend that might be at par of remuneration, and may not really rank as stipend.
Update Sept 2010: The official minimum stipend is to be doubled by ICAI.
Dummy Articleship
Coming to the main question, many of the CA students would prefer to enrol in articleship only in name, without actually doing the articleship – ie. as the street name goes – they prefer to do dummy articleship. There are various reasons why a student might want to indulge in such malpractice. I knew a guy, whose brother after clearing inter, was working in some metro, while doing dummyship being registered with some rural chartered accountant. Not just that, even I was told by a well established Chartered Accountant, that I could enrol as an article with him, while I might work with some organisation, provided I did not sign any report there! As he said – “I will not have any problem, as I could easily get out of that, but if you get caught, you would be in deep trouble”!
One should remember quite clearly that articleship entails cost in various ways, and also entails lots of time doing outstation audit and related works. This leads to tremendous paucity of time for studies. Most of the student therefore find the easy way out. Apart from the pressure of the peer group, when ones friends are earning well, and one is earning pittance as an article, there are individuals who might think in terms of dummyship.
Control Mechanism
It seems that the institute does not have any control mechanism to check such practices. However, if such thing is found out later, even the registration may get cancelled. (In 2010, ICAI derecognised the training period of certain articles that it found were dummy) So beware before one even thinks of indulging in such malpractices. However, if the student indulges in such practices, it is the students who are the loser. Those students who indulge in such practices, even after doing CA in the end are left with just another degree and the always looming threat of cancellation of registration. CA is about the professional exposure and experience that one gains during articleship. Without that the CA is just another degree.
So, invariably my answer to “Are you sure you want to do articleship?” was always a resounding Yes!
All the experiences mentioned result from my meeting people/ CAs at Asansol, Kolkata and Jabalpur. Below I write compilation of some of the additional information / experiences in my search for articleship –
Notes for serious aspirants
1. The big four…
The big four are the consultancy firms that have worldwide presence and have the highest revenue from fees based consultancies. These includes KPMG, E&Y (Ernst & Young), Delloitt, and PwC (Price Waterhouse Coopers). Technically these are consultancy firms and therefore one cannot do articleship in these. However one can do articleship in the audit firms that are linked to these firms. These audit firms include: for KPMG: BSR & Co (previously Bharat S Raut & Co) etc; for E&Y : SR Batliboi & Co, for Delloitt: AF Ferguson & Co, C.C.Chokshi & Co., Fraser & Ross, P. C. Hansotia & Co. and S.B.Billimoria & Co; and for PwC: Price Waterhouse, and Lovelock & Lewis. Here one must remember that while the consultancies are private limited companies, the audit firms are partnerships. This is because that unlike any other company, the auditors doing statutory audits cannot have limited liabilities. The stipend in Big 4 firms for first year can range from 4000 to 6000+ depending on the firm and the city. This would go upto 8000 to 10000+ in the final year of articleship (2008). The good thing is one gets good exposure to work methods of Big Companies (most of which are listed companies). The flip side is one should be ready to travel and do onsite audit – someone working on audit would be doing say 15 to 20+ days of travel a month on average. Even otherwise, the work schedule can be hectic and there can be problems in taking leave.
2. Other bigger Indian firms…
While the audit firms that are linked to the big four are the biggest audit firms in India, there are many other big sized professional CA firms firms, some of them have foreign link up as well. These includes Lodha & Co (link with BDO), KS Aiyar & Co (linked with Baker Tilly), RSM & Co, Ajay Sethi & Associates (ASA), Haribhakti etc. Many of these firms also have their own consultany companies or consultancies linked with some international brand. These firms may also have overseas works related to internal audit and consultancy. Of course, there may be many additions to this list – from different parts of the country. However, the question that one should always ask is whether the firm is being run professionally or like any business shop! For example, at one of the mid size CA firms that I went to and met its managing partner; while the elderly gentleman definitely seemed to have made a big business through audit and tax consultancy – as he told me – “come, work here for two three weeks, and then decide whether you would like to do articlship here, we can always get your form submitted back dated”!. While the offer seemed quite innocuous, as if putting the ball in my court – I only thanked him for his offer and never again went there, as I believe that a CA should be professional in his conduct under whom one is offering oneself for training.
3. Why is that the information on these so limited…
The Chartered Accountants and their firms are prohibited by law to advertise themselves. Whatever publicity occurs, it is often by word of mouth due to reputation that one has in the line or if some of them are active in the seminar circuits. The CAs cannot also put their firm names when they are authoring any book or publishing any article having wide circulation. There are even rules for CA firms putting up their firm websites. All these adds up to the situation where the aspiring CAs are left with little information regarding the field of CA except for what is published by the institute. CAs who are auditors are ‘backroom boys’ and do not get the limelight that the entrepreneur or a CA in employment as a CFO might get. Adding to the paucity of information, even some of the big four audit firms may not have a website!
4. Is big beautiful…
It depends on you. Big can be beautiful or ugly depending on ones preferences. If you are entrepreneur like, and do not like the corporate culture and aim to open your own firm, then a middle size firm for articleship should do good for you. Small sized firms or new firms dont have enough work available for the exposure that is needed to do articleship. Many of the new firms or smaller firms do the work of other bigger firms that they get on sub contract from the bigger firms. Apart from this, there is also the variety of work that is important. I met an HR executive of a big Four firm, and wanted to know about the variety of works for articleship purpose, and looking at my qualification, the HR executive was a bit amazed, saying that I was overqualified and there was no problem for my articleship; however the executive, somewhat disdainfully added – “…the articles do only statutory audit, and hardly would an articled trainee be put on any other assignment!” In contrast, in a well known (top ten) big firm (where I had been selected after interview – though later I did not join it), I was told, that since I had an MBA, I would be engaged in management consultancy works as well – apart from the statutory and internal audits.
5. Stipend
ICAI prescribes a minimum amount as stipend per month. For first year it ranges from Rs. 500 to 1000 per month, and with prescribed annual increment of Rs. 250 reaching upto Rs. 1000 to 1500 per month in final year of articleship. (Update Sept 2010: The official minimum stipend is to be doubled by ICAI.) It is strange, that on one side, ICAI as per deed of articles considers the article to be full time employee – but for stipend purpose, one is still a student! This stipend is less than even the minimum wages (and I have read somewhere that at one time ICAI even shot down government proposal for implementing Minimum Wage Act for its articles saying that Govt was interfering with the Autonomous Regulatory Body)! Most of the small and medium CA Firms would prefer to pay their trainees at these minimum rates only – some may add a few hundred more to bring in parity between their other employees and the articles. Though, in Metros and Mini Metros, one may expect a ‘bit’ more. Only the Big Four and the very few other big firms pay reasonable stipend.
6. The process of inducting articles…
The standard process is the interview. I have not heard of any written test taken by any firm. But no one is barred from that. Usually one needs to apply to the firm, and appear in the interview. Some bigger firms may also take two interviews – one the standard interview and the second the partner level interview. In the end, one is doing articleship not under the firm, but under a CA. If you have been associated with the firm, or know the CA, you may not even need to appear for the formal interview. In one of the firm (top ten), that I contacted, the first level interview was taken by one of the partner, and the second level interview was taken by the managing partner heading eastern region – and the questions ranged from accounting entries, to audit issues like company audit, to risk analysis, among others.
7. Articleship, hard work and time…
Yes, articleship entails hard work. As regards time, though the institute prescribes certain norms (working hours, holidays etc), no firm really adheres to such stipulations, and the articled trainee would have to follow the rules of the firm (and if he is unlucky, the whims of the partner) in this regard. If one has to do works relating to statutory audits and internal audits, then one may need to travel to distant places – it can be city where the offices of the company is situated or even a factory site in remote places.
8. The best place…
CAs deal mostly with audit of financial transactions and taxation matters. Wherever there are large amount of financial transactions, the audit work would be required. In India, the best place perhaps is Mumbai, which is considered the financial capital of the country. Then there are the four – five metro cities where the bigger firms are concentrated. This is also because the head offices and decision making centers of the companies are also situated in these metro cities. Next to metros, there are also some other cities that are financially important like Kanpur, Indore, Coimbator etc. Place of articleship is perhaps less important compared to the nature of exposure to work that one is getting and also the variety of work that one gets to do. Moreover, as regards audit work – whether statutory or internal audits, the articled trainee may have to travel to distant places. Such outstation tours may be for a month or even more. These places can be remote areas where factories or mines or any such manufacturing establishments are located.
9. Does one get stuck…
No. The articled trainee can change his principal (with mutual agreement) under whom s/he is undergoing training. However one should give at least a six month shot (perhaps at least a year), before thinking of changing bosses. It goes without saying, that unless there is something terribly wrong, or the newer opportunity are too alluring, or there are compelling situations, one should not change. Usually the longer one stays, one gets better assignments, more responsibilities and gets more involved in the work of the firm. In such decision of change, the institute plays no role. The articleship deed is exclusively between the articled trainee and the CA.
[Update: From April 2009, ICAI has made provisions of transfer very difficult. It has prescribed few specific circumstances / conditions and only on fulfilling that the Article is permitted to take transfer - for details see this comment]
[Another Update: In July 2010, ICAI announced that transfer of articleship would be available without restrictions in the first year of articleship]
10. Articleship Under Whom ?
A student can take up articleship under a CA in Practice (ie. holding Certificate of Practice: CoP for short) or under a Qualified CA who is in employment under a CA holding CoP. ICAI places restrictions on number of articles that a CA can take under him based on (a) Number of years of holding CoP, and (b) If qualified CA in service under a CA in practice – then size of organisation.
For a CA holding CoP
| No. of Years of continuous practice | No of articles |
| 0 to 3 yrs | 1 |
| 3 to 5 yrs | 3 |
| 5 to 10 yrs | 7 |
| more than 10 yrs | 10 |
For a Qualified CA in service under a CA holding CoP / or in service in a Firm of Chartered Accountants
| Number of Full Time Salaried CA Employees in the Firm | No of articles |
| 0 to 100 | 1 per Qualified CA employee |
| 101 to 500 | 100 + 50% of the number of such employees above 100 (i.e., a maximum of 300) |
| 501 or more | 300 + 20% of the number of such employees above 500 |
Generally, students do articleship under a CA in practice (Proprietor or Partner of Firm). However, provision relating to training under CA employee applies in case of Big CA firms where the partners may not have enough time to devote to training.
(Here it is pertinent to note that it is only the Proprietor / Partner of a CA Firm who are eligible to sign audit reports under various statutes. CA in employment cannot sign such audit reports)
11. Industrial Training
Industrial Training can be done in the last year of articleship training. Only students of CA Final are eligible for Industrial training. This training can range from not less than nine months to not more than one year. Such training gives good exposure to the article to the working of the organization. Usually the CAs who have done industrial training are preferred by employers – as they have exposure to the working of particular sector. Good Industrial training opportunities are always there – eg. Industrial Training by NHPC. However such vacancies are not advertised widely. ICAI has a publicly accessible list of companies that is registered with it to provide industrial training. Industrial Training can also be done abroad. More details relating to industrial training in this comment
12. Articleship Abroad
As per April 2008 issue of the CA Journal, the ICAI Council has approved guidelines for permitting students to do their articleship outside India. This can be done in the overseas centers of ICAI. As per the new guidelines, a student may get himself or herself registered with a member of the Institute settled abroad and who is in full time practice there, provided such member has a professional address in India. The rules relating to working hours etc. would remain the same and the training would be regulated under same rules as are applicable to articleship training in India. This means that the full period of articleship can be done abroad. Also full prescribed period of Industrial Training can be done abroad – if one wishes to undergo such training.
Similar provisions for Secondment and Industrial Training would also be available to articled assistants abroad. Members working as Qualified/Paid Assistants in firms of Chartered Accountants would be eligible to train one articled assistant, on the same lines as in India.
The overseas centers of ICAI are situated at: Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Doha (Qatar), Dubai, Jeddah, Riyadh (Saudi Arabia), Kuwait, Muscat (Oman), Lusaka (Zambia), Botswana, Nairobi (Kenya), Lagos (Nigeria), Port Moresby (Papua New Guinea), Jakarta (Indonesia), London (UK), Toronto (Canada), Melbourne and Sydney (Australia), New York (USA). Apart from this the CA course can also be pursued from one residing in SAARC countries.
13. CA: One Course but Many Differentials
Eventhough CA is having one syllabus for all – it is articleship that sets the criteria of evaluation. If you are in metro and did training under Big4/Other Big Firms – your competencies would be much different than articleship in a smaller city. The simple reason is – in Bigger Firms one gets to do audit of listed companies and exposure to different aspects of finance. However, those students who have done training in smaller cities after qualifying may join sectors / functions where they get domain / functional expertise – then their initial handicaps get evened out. So if its service one is aiming at, then articleship matters a lot – more than if one is aiming practice. At Practice, one is sort of an entrepreneur – and the skill set required are pretty different than that of service. All these despite the fact that the theoretical knowledge base remains the same for all students.
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sir please tell me weather there is any last date for submission of registration forms for ca final
http://indiapoint.net/ca/2009/08/20/icai-exams-online-application/comment-page-1/#comment-732
sir can u tell me weather coaching for ca final is better in nagpur or in pune.
I guess its Pune which is considered better.
Sir i have an option of joining E&Y(direct tax) and PwC( stat audit). I am not sure of doing only tax for the 3 years and that would mean no auidt at all. I do want to join a big firm. So i am choosing PwC .
what is your opinion ?
Everyone has his choice, and audit is good enough. But since you are joining at the article level – be sure that you are gradually assigned high end tasks of audit – and not keep doing only vouching / verification / data collection.
Of-course when one is a CA and doing audit, finalising balance sheets and audit reports – it becomes exciting.
At a personal level, I have always found tax work more intellectually stimulating than audit.
sir i want to do articleship in good firm plz suggest me
Plz read http://indiapoint.net/ca/2006/02/27/articleship/comment-page-1/#comment-31 and other previous comments
Sir
If I want to go for practice in a comparatively small city (my hometown) then is it right to do articleship in tax department in any of the Big4 or should I go for a middle size firm?
In such case definitely a mid size firm or even a big prop. firm is prefereable. I would suggest that just see that the firm is around 10 to 15 years old – because in such cases there is good variety of work available. Also, now that ICAI has relaxed transfer rules in first year of articleship – change firm before the end of first year. That would again give you a good exposure to different perspectives, and the way CAs / Firms / Staff / Clients interact.
Sir
Thank you Sir for your guidance.
One more thing I want to ask. Which is better as per your opinion Practice or Employment?
Both are good. The only advantage in practice is that you would be able to sign the statutory & tax audit reports. Moreover, in Practice, if one gets established, then there is no retirement age – and one is ones own boss. Infact in Practice one is basically opening an establishment (like the promoters in business) – whereas in employment one remains an employee under full control of the employer.
Usually those who have fancy for corporate lifestyle prefer employment. But basically CA course is meant for producing a Practitioner rather than an employee. To be an employee – even in the accounts / finance dept. one does not need to be a CA. http://indiapoint.net/ca/2009/04/21/cwa-a-better-career-option/
Could you please tell me in detail how many leaves are we entitled to during articleship. Apart from the two months leave during exams do we get any other leaves.
Please READ before asking questions. Make it a habit to read. http://indiapoint.net/ca/2008/10/31/articleship-certain-rules/#toc-2-leave
Sir
I recently cleared my CPT and will appear for ipcc in may 2011. I want to know whether i should give both the groups or only 1st group.
Another thing i want to ask is that do these big 4 take only those students for articleship who have given both the groups or they take those also who have given only 1st group
I’ll be really grateful to you if you can guide me on this.
Thanx
It depends on your abilities if you want to give one group or both. Going by the present trends, the Big4 prefer those who have cleared both groups.
(Go through previous comments – some of the students who are joining Big4 as articled trainees have also posted their questions)
Thank you sir
Sir as per your opinion which is better a ranker CA or an IIM A graduate? (In all terms and also as far as remuneration is considered)
Its like asking – which is better – an Architecture course or a Civil Engg Course.
Do remember, that core of CA is about Accountancy and Audit. Whereas core of MBA (Finance) is about Finance – primarily dealing with Financial Markets. The difference is not just apparent but real.
Consequently you would find that financial firms who recruit from IIM would prefer candidates with Engg background with specialisation in Finance. The reason simply is that it is the training in logic and analytical abilities that engineering students get ingrained by their training. Most of the MBA Finance candidates would be taken up by the Financial companies – the good ones for trading and modelling, the others for marketing of financial products. You would not find MBA Finance in Accounting roles (its very rare) or in audit or taxation.
In contrast CA is about accounting and control function, and audit and tax functions. The problem with CA historically has been that it has been considered a closed statutory function – so functional areas like Financial Market, consultancy services like M&A etc were ignored and advertising was a big no no. However, ICAI is catching up in this direction. Now a days, CAs are also being taken up by financial companies. Even in Banks, now a days one can find CAs taking up executive positions (which were traditionally occupied by MBAs) as CAs are better equipped in audit, compliance, law and due diligence.
If you look at the organisation of a consultancy firm – there are different divisions – the MCS (mngt consultancy services), direct & indirect taxation, internal audit & fraud detection, etc, the MBAs gets hired for the MCS – whereas for the CA the variety of choices is larger.
While MBA is a general degree, CA is a specialised degree. In the multivariate field of Finance, at present CA as a course provides the widest exposure. The area it is lacking is proper classroom teaching. Moreover articles are exposed to differeing experiences – which lead to a differentials even among them, compared to MBA which is structured with classroom and two months of practical exposure.
There cannot be a clear answer to which is better – a ranker CA or an IIM grad. However, I can say, that a ranker CA has a wider choice of career (tax, audit, accountancy, finance, etc), whereas, IIM Fin grad do not enjoy such choice.
As for trends of remuneration, if you leave the extremes like a handful of candidates who get tons of lakhs or crores, the average entry level salaries (still) for CAs is less than IIM grad. This is primarily because of brand, and you can always be sure that when it comes to marketing MBAs are far ahead than a CA would ever be!
Sir
I have given IPCC may 2010 n cleared both groups. Now my articleship is starting. Now is it compulsory to fill form 112 now?
Actually the problem is I am getting CBSE scholarship of Rs. 70,000/- in insatllments like 10,000 each yr for 3 years of Bachelor degree and after that Rs. 20,000 each year for 2 yrs of post graduation degree with a stipulation that I must join the course as a regular student. I am now in Bcom 2nd year as a regular student. Still we dont need to attend any class even a single day. But now in articleship form no 112 has to be signed by the principal of our college who refused to sign the form for college timings before 11 AM in the morning. Now if I go for private then I would loose Rs. 60,000 scholarship. Now what to do? Is there any way out? Anyhow if I manage to do 2nd year regular then from 3rd year I’ll join a college where the timings are according to ICAI rules.
Please suggest what to do?
Form 112 is compulsory – and there is no relaxation in that.
Also the timing of college should have a difference of at least an hour with that of the office timing. You cannot say that your college ends at 11 and you go to office at 11.
What I have seen in some cases, is that, as the Principals of colleges have discretionary powers to allow students for other activities – in case of articlesihp, they give relaxation in timing with riders that the student would have to attend extra classes for equal number of hours on holidays and leave period.
It does not matter whether you actually attend college or not – for ICAI its the paper that matters ! If you want relaxation – its only your college that can give you the relaxation as ICAI does not give any relaxation.
There is a way that is possible that if your city has any ‘regular’ morning or evening college. Then in such case your scholarship would also be retained and also the ICAI rule would also get fulfilled. Read point 10 of http://indiapoint.net/ca/2010/06/15/ca-articleship-latest-changes/
Sir that means college timings cannot be after 10 AM & before 6 PM
Also Sir Can a principal of the college allow n sign form no. 112 even if the timings of the college are beyond 11AM using his discretionary powers?
Means Is it ok if I manage to get into any college where the principal is ready to sign the form showing less time than the actual college hours?
I have seen Principal allowing for flexibility of timing using their discretionary powers. The point is if the Principal signs the form with a particular timing, its final.
As to time between college end and start of office one hour gap should be there, else ICAI does not accept the form – that again from what I have seen. (Unless I guess, you can provide documentary evidence that your college and office are in the same building !)
dear sir,
i cleared both groups of ipcc in may 2010. i am 2nd year bcom course.
i want to pursue cs with ca. i havn’t yet registered with icsi. i am planning to give cs foundation in june 2011.
is it that after tycom i can skip foundation and go for the executive level?
how about if want to pursue ca cs and later to mba finance part time.?
then which institutions give part time mba finance courses?
You can do only one additional course along with CA. That means if you are enrolled in CA and also doing BCom, you cannot take up CS
As for MBA with CA, ICAI have arrangement with Bharthiar Univ (BU), whereby students can enroll with BU along with CA course. And in that papers passed in CA exams are counted towards exemption of BU courses. So, the PE2/PCC/IPCC level pass would count toward exemption in UG courses BCom / BBA, and the pass in Final level courses would count towards exemption in MCom / MBA course of BU.
http://www.icai.org/post.html?post_id=3863
http://220.227.161.86/19936advertisement_for_BU-ICAI.pdf
ICAI has similar arrangement with IGNOU (though not for MBA, but for BCom & MCom)
http://220.227.161.86/7535announ1482.pdf
and also with Netaji Subhash Open Univ, Kolkata
http://220.227.161.86/7606icai_bdp.pdf
However while ICAI has kept itself updated for BU, the latter ones IGNOU and NSOU, their latest status regarding their arrangement with ICAI is not known.
thankyou sir for your guidance.